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Orphan Black

It's Orphan Black day! Watch this show. No. Seriously. Waaaaaaaatch iiiiiiiiiiit.

And now the endless wait for it to air. Must find a distraction.

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txgirl0302
May. 26th, 2013 03:39 am (UTC)
HAPPY BEST DAY OF THE WEEK! LOL!

I woke up feeling totally crummy and about an hour into today I remembered it was Saturday and that meant...NEW ORPHAN BLACK! Woooo!!

Kira's not dead! Thank God. I can't handle little kids dying in TV/movies. What is very interesting though, is that not only did she survive the brutal accident, she's relatively uninjured. Whaaaa? Okay, so clearly Sarah is special and whatever makes her special was passed down to Kira. Oh man, I can't wait to find all this stuff out.

I LOVE Alison. I just love her and I am totally digging her and Felix's friendship. The bit where Alison is just going suburban housewife on Felix's apartment was so adorable, I can't with her. She's stuck there because her perfect suburban life is in shambles and she can't really help with Kira, so she does what she knows. Sigh. Love her. Plus when she told off Aynsley...best, best, best. Donnie is her monitor right? He was hiding something in that back and he burned all that stuff, so it's him right? Or is it both Donnie and Aynsley?

PAUL BROUGHT OVER KIDS GIFTS!! DYYYYIIIINNNGGG!!

Okay, as much as I love and adore all the clones, I absolutely LOVE Alison and Helena. Sarah and Cosima are great, yes, but I'm just so much more invested when I see Alison or Helena on screen.

So to find out that Sarah and Helena are TWINS was WHOA. THE CONNECTION!! FLAILING!

And who was that woman Leekie was calling? Did she look like the clones, I mean, genetic identicals? Is she the original?

And poor Cosima. I just...I don't really like Delphine. We all knew she was Cosima's monitor and she only slept with Cosima to get the information for Leekie. But then I think of Sarah and Paul and how their entire relationship is based on lies and manipulation, just like Cosima and Delphine's and I'm stuck. IDK. Paul has proven he's on Sarah's side, so I maybe I need to see more of that from Delphine. She didn't tell Dr. Leekie about Kira, but she still put them all in danger. So if she really cares about Cosima like she says she does, she better step up.

Ugh. I don't want it to end already. Now they know Sarah is not Beth and all hell is going to break lose and I just got into it and now it will be gone. Epic sadness.
aka_paloma
May. 29th, 2013 07:55 pm (UTC)
Part 1 (JFC, I REALLY AM super chatty today.)

What is very interesting though, is that not only did she survive the brutal accident, she's relatively uninjured. Whaaaa? Okay, so clearly Sarah is special and whatever makes her special was passed down to Kira.

I don't know if that's just a Sarah thing or a clone thing, though, because if you'll remember, Helena survived a rusty rebar rammed through her stomach. She healed from that pretty quickly, and a few people have commented on that--like they found it hard to believe that she didn't bleed out or die from infection or tetanus or something. We now know that Sarah and Helena are twins, though, so this apparent accelerated healing is actually consistent. So we need to ask, is it a clone thing, or just a Sarah and Helena thing? The other clones so far have not been able to have children, only Sarah (and possibly Helena?) so maybe whatever has allowed Sarah to be able to procreate is tied to the accelerated healing.

The thing I'm wondering is why Katja was dying even before Tomas sent Helena to kill her. She was coughing up blood, which, if you've seen the previews/scenes for the next ep, Cosima is starting to as well. Someone posited that going by their birth dates, Katja and Cosima are older than the other clones we've been introduced to and maybe they have a sell-by date or some sort of design flaw that causes them to die after a certain amount of time. I'm leaning towards the latter because why would anyone go to all that effort (and clearly lots of expense) to create all these clones, just to have them die off as they approach their 30th birthday? Unless there was someone involved in the cloning process and, because of some sort of motivation (regret? going against natural laws?), added this flaw so the clones would have an expiration date, but because Sarah's and Helena's surrogate gave them away they weren't able to add it, whatever it is, that's causing the other clones to die. Hmmm...or they were aware of the flaw and finally got it right by the time they got to Sarah and Helena? Which means Alison might also be fine because she's the youngest of all them, I think. But she can't have children so maybe she's flawed also? Will Helena's accelerated healing (and Sarah's too because of Kira's accelerated healing?) mean Helena and Sarah won't get sick? So many thinky thought!

I LOVE Alison. I just love her and I am totally digging her and Felix's friendship.

BroTP! LOL! Someone pointed out that Felix acts differently towards each clone, which also helps to sell how these girls are all so different from each other and it feels like there are many actresses playing these clones and not just one. And it's so true. Felix and Sarah are so bro-sis like, but with Alison, it really does feel more like BFFs. I love this show and all it chooses to be SO MUCH.

Donnie is her monitor right? He was hiding something in that back and he burned all that stuff, so it's him right? Or is it both Donnie and Aynsley?

God only knows! I'm on the fence with that. Sometimes I think it's Donnie. Other times I think it's Aynesley (there was an extra "e" in her name at IMDb? I have no idea). And at sometimes I even think it's Chad. (You're in the endzone! You're in the endzone! TOUCHDOWN! LMAO forever over that.)

txgirl0302
May. 29th, 2013 09:36 pm (UTC)
Oooh I forgot about Helena healing quickly! So many theories! Somehow I don't think we will find any of this out in the next episode lol.

BroTP! LOL! Someone pointed out that Felix acts differently towards each clone, which also helps to sell how these girls are all so different from each other and it feels like there are many actresses playing these clones and not just one. And it's so true. Felix and Sarah are so bro-sis like, but with Alison, it really does feel more like BFFs. I love this show and all it chooses to be SO MUCH.

Yes! I love that! This cast is so good, I can't get over it. Tatiana Maslany is so brilliant I forget that she plays all the clones. Each one feels genuinely different, especially with Cosima. With her I completely forget that it's Tatiana playing her. Awesome lady is awesome.

I'm so confused with Alison's monitor as well, and I think it's going to turn out to be someone we never saw coming. Maybe it's the friend who saw her with Endzone Chad in the parking lot lol.
aka_paloma
May. 30th, 2013 01:58 am (UTC)
Awesome lady is awesome.

Critics are taking note her performance (performances? LOL). Everyone is in awe of her. She's been nominated for a Critic's Choice TV award for best actress in a drama. I hope she's at least nominated for other TV awards. I hold no false hope that she'll win because genre television rarely gets acknowledged like that. I think she'll probably score a Saturn award because they deal specifically with the sci-fi genre. Oh, well. She's got all that critical acclaim and fandom love and second season in the offing, so things are looking pretty damn good for her.

Maybe it's the friend who saw her with Endzone Chad in the parking lot lol.

Endzone Chad! LMFAO! That is to be his name from now on!
txgirl0302
May. 31st, 2013 10:51 pm (UTC)
As they should be! I kept seeing a lot of praise for her before I began watching the show but I HAD NO IDEA. I wasn't ready for it that's for sure lol. She's incredibly talented.

He is to be Endzone Chad fro here on out lol.
aka_paloma
May. 29th, 2013 07:56 pm (UTC)
Part 2

PAUL BROUGHT OVER KIDS GIFTS!! DYYYYIIIINNNGGG!!

I KNOW! He's hot and sweet. *sigh* Curious as to what happened over in Afghanistan with him, though, and what secret Olivier used as blackmail/leverage over him. Hopefully we'll find out in S2.

Okay, as much as I love and adore all the clones, I absolutely LOVE Alison and Helena. Sarah and Cosima are great, yes, but I'm just so much more invested when I see Alison or Helena on screen.

I think I've ended up feeling pretty equally when it comes to all the clones, but I can't help but be drawn slightly more to Sarah, if I'm to be honest and objective about my feelings. She was the POV character through which we saw the whole story initially play out, so for me that's made a difference in my emotional investment, I think. But I love them all and would be sad if any were to die--which I'm scared might happen in the finale.

And who was that woman Leekie was calling? Did she look like the clones, I mean, genetic identicals? Is she the original?

To answer your questions: I don't know; I couldn't tell; and I have no idea. LOL. Some people are speculating it's one of the two scientists posing as the parents of Sarah and Helena that Amelia was talking about. Or that it's the original, yeah. Man, SO MANY people are obsessed with learning who the original is. I...don't care? I mean, I do care insofar as the overall story is concerned, but it's not THE question for me like it seems to be for so many people in the fandom. It actually irritates me to see all the spec on tumblr as to who the original is. Maybe it's because whenever I hear or see the word "original" I'm reminded of my TVD Originals trauma? IDK. TVD ruined so many things for me. *sigh*

But then I think of Sarah and Paul and how their entire relationship is based on lies and manipulation, just like Cosima and Delphine's and I'm stuck.

Yeah, I get it. I keep asking myself if I would be more outraged if Paul and Sarah roles had been reversed. Would I be crying rape in that instance? Yeah, most definitely. (And I hate myself for that double standard.) Paul thought it was Beth, after all, and had no clue Sarah even existed and had taken over Beth's life. (This is a variation on Klaus-in-Tyler and Caroline not knowing it as she initiates sex.) He only knew Beth was acting weird, which he probably attributed to her pill dependency and the stress of the investigation into the shooting of Maggie Chen. Paul did bring this up in a later episode, but I kinda wish they'd addressed it more as the violation it was.

I'm wondering if I'm more accepting of the Paul and Sarah situation because they were both lying to the other as to who they really were and they were both manipulating the situation, so while they were ignorant of the other's lies and manipulations, they were still on this weird and similar level of subterfuge? But then, Cosima wasn't exactly ignorant of what Delphine was up to, and was trying to get close to her to get what information she could out of her. Gah! This is a very complicated situation. And I'm not gonna lie and say it hasn't made me uncomfortable at times.

Also, I think the mutual lies and manipulation was why I was okay with Paul/Sarah being pretty much assholes to each other with some sexytimes thrown in, and I would have continued to be OK with that and their relationship not progressing beyond that. And I know I was being super shallow (I know myself to well!) and just saw pretty people being sexy, but now...I don't know how to feeeeeeeeel, Gen.

Ugh. I don't want it to end already.

Me neither. But it will be back! I am SO grateful for S2. (God, right now, I think BBCA is better at scific than SyFy--stupidest "brand" name change ever, btw, and makes me think of syphilis every damn time I see it written that way.) That's what I'll keep telling myself during what will surely be one of the longest waits between seasons ever.
txgirl0302
May. 29th, 2013 10:07 pm (UTC)
Paul is adorbs. Love him. I'm very curious too. I wonder if he was a POW or spilled secrets maybe? He was in intelligence after all.

Oh yeah totally! I agree with what you said about Sarah and it's her POV that we rely on to find things out and I LOVE LOVE LOVE that her and Helena are twins. I just can't help but lean towards the side/minor characters. Not to say that the other clones are minor characters, but Sarah is in the forefront ya know? I don't know what I'm saying, ignore me lol.

*High five* I feel you on the Original business. I don't really care either, I'm way too invested in the clones than I am finding out which one is the original. I mean, I'm curious, but I'm not losing my mind over it either. I like the idea of the mystery lady being one of the two scientist that Amelia was talking about. Do you think it was her and Leekie who where the two scientist?

The whole Sarah/Paul sex, I know it comes down to double standards for me. I know it, I hate it, but like you said, if the roles had been reversed I would have been incredibly uncomfortable with it.

When you really look at both relationships, one is not better than the other. All four people played each other. Paul manipulated Beth from the very beginning and in turn Sarah manipulated him (and really Paul was sleeping with Beth despite not having any real feelings for her). Cosima was aware of Delphine and her motives and Delphine's sole job was to manipulate and gain Cosima's trust.

It's hard to be objective with these relationships because it's not cut and dry with ANY of them. Every single person is paranoid and suspicious of the people in their lives and yet they still try and make a connections despite their paranoia. But there are serious consent issues here that should have been addressed, and like you said Paul touched on it, but it wasn't further explored.

We're shallow. It's okay. We acknowledge it lol.

SyFy is ridiculous. I'm tired of their weird ass movies. Like, just stop.

Do you know when S2 will be scheduled to be back? I know you mentioned it to me before, but I have a craptastic memory. Did you say 2014, because that would totally suck.
aka_paloma
May. 30th, 2013 02:25 am (UTC)
I wonder if he was a POW or spilled secrets maybe? He was in intelligence after all.

And maybe it resulted in people getting hurt or a op failing? He seemed pretty ashamed of what he did. At least, it seemed that way to me.

Not to say that the other clones are minor characters, but Sarah is in the forefront ya know? I don't know what I'm saying, ignore me lol.

No, I think I understand and have often appreciated the side characters more--like Monroe from Grimm.

Do you think it was her and Leekie who where the two scientist?

It's definitely a very viable theory. I would not be surprised if that turns out to be the case. The mysterious woman would need to be older though. I'd say at least 50 to have been the "wife" who was seeking a surrogate. From what we could see of the mysterious woman physical appearance, I do think she might be too young. I hope we'll get some answers in the next ep. They certainly haven't been shy about giving us answers instead of withholding information like some shows do.

I'm really curious as to how the finale is going end. Cliffhanger because the showrunners got optimistic? Reasonably satisfying conclusion in case the show wasn't picked up for a second season? With all the shit that's gone down, I don't know how the latter option is even possible.

The whole Sarah/Paul sex, I know it comes down to double standards for me. I know it, I hate it, but like you said, if the roles had been reversed I would have been incredibly uncomfortable with it.

I'm glad (and not surprised) we're on the same page with this. OMG GEN I'M SO FREAKING HAPPY YOU'RE WATCHING ORPHAN BLACK AND LOVE IT AS MUCH AND IN SO MANY OF THE SAME WAYS I DOOOOOOOO!!!

It's hard to be objective with these relationships because it's not cut and dry with ANY of them.

ITA. And yet, despite all of that, I really love it? And I love it because it's not cut and dry. Because it is complicated and messy. Just like life is. And I like that the show isn't trying to make it romantic, just fucked up, and like you said: Every single person is paranoid and suspicious of the people in their lives and yet they still try and make a connections despite their paranoia. AND I LOOOOOOVE THAT.

We're shallow. It's okay. We acknowledge it lol.

\o/

Do you know when S2 will be scheduled to be back? I know you mentioned it to me before, but I have a craptastic memory. Did you say 2014, because that would totally suck.

Yeah, 2014 is when it returns. Springtime I'm guessing, just like this year. It premiered on March 30th, so I'm hoping it'll be March again next year and not any later. Look at it as something to anticipate as regular network TV starts winding down. TVD may be so fucktarded next season, you'll need something like Orphan Black to look forward to. Hmm...too bad we couldn't get Trevino on Orphan Black. I. Would. Die.


txgirl0302
May. 31st, 2013 11:26 pm (UTC)
I'm really curious as to how the finale is going end. Cliffhanger because the showrunners got optimistic? Reasonably satisfying conclusion in case the show wasn't picked up for a second season? With all the shit that's gone down, I don't know how the latter option is even possible.

Oh man, I have a love/hate relationship with cliffhangers, especially with finales lol. On one hand, I love them because it keeps that anticipation of what is to come deep in your soul lol. However, it's like ARGH WTF IS GOING TO HAPPEN I NEED TO KNOW RIGHT NOW NOT 60 LIGHT YEARS LATER!

Like with Elementary, it wasn't a cliffhanger season finale and I was completely okay with that, but at the same time, I wish it would have ended with a bit of a bang ya know? But that show is written so well that not having a suspenseful ending didn't hurt the show going into it's second season.

So to be honest, I hope Orphan Black does end with a cliffhanger just to keep people wanting more over the hiatus. So hopefully the showrunners were optimistic of a second season pickup to give us the best season finale they can (despite the 60 light years we will have to wait for the second season).

I'm glad (and not surprised) we're on the same page with this. OMG GEN I'M SO FREAKING HAPPY YOU'RE WATCHING ORPHAN BLACK AND LOVE IT AS MUCH AND IN SO MANY OF THE SAME WAYS I DOOOOOOOO!!!

LOL! *High five*

I have definitely matured in my viewing of television and movies. When before I wouldn't have given gender issues and rape culture a second thought, I tend to notice it more now. But I don't let it cloud everything ya know? I know some fans lose their shit with these things, and I completely understand that, but I can take note of it and still enjoy the show. As long as I know that I'm aware of it (despite whether or not the show is) I can continue to enjoy it (unless it gets really out of hand like with TVD lol).

Like when Sarah slept with Paul on the kitchen counter, the first thing I thought was that she was sleeping with a stranger to cover her ass and he was falling for it, but then things got too sexy and I was like WHAT.EVER. LOL.

I know I ship pairings that people don't like and object strongly against because of gender and rape issues, but I feel as long as I'm aware and embrace it then I'm okay. As long as I'm not making excuses or being a rape apologist then I should be able to ship the ship despite the issues. Daenereys/Khal Drogo and Buffy/Spike for example.

It's shippers/fans like the Karoline/Delena/Klaus/Damon stans who excuse everything and/or are rape apologists. All so they can support their ship and keep them in a "good light" as to not tarnish their image. No. Just...no. You like Karoline and Delena, okay. Don't handwave the darker aspects of the ship because you can't handle the truth bros.

Hmm...too bad we couldn't get Trevino on Orphan Black. I. Would. Die.

Who in the hell do I have to call to make it happen? Ugh. I just wish he would move on and do something else.

He is forever saying that he's auditioning at cons, but I never see anything new pop up from him. I wonder if he is not getting cast in anything. Which is sad because he is so talented, but the business is hard.

He said in his panel with Candice in April that he would love to guest star on Sons of Anarchy and I flailed in my room watching the video lol. I know he loves that show, but if he was ever to come out in it I would friggin die.

Which reminds me, I should really catch up on that one.

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